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Message 100128 - Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 10:39:32 UTC - in response to Message 100127.  

Yes, something’s clogged up. Tasks are trickling through now and again, so it’s not completely stopped. But I’m not sure we’ll get much attention from the server admins at 02:30 on Christmas morning… :-⁠)
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Message 100131 - Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 14:44:54 UTC - in response to Message 100127.  
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Someone needs to give the servers a kick.

I think it's difficult during Christmas's week

P.S.
Mary Christmas to all of you!!
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Message 100132 - Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 15:18:28 UTC - in response to Message 100131.  

buon natale a tutti
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Message 100133 - Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 15:24:32 UTC - in response to Message 100127.  

11 million queued jobs

What matters are "Tasks ready to send" on the Server Status Page and that is near 0.
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Message 100134 - Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 15:27:42 UTC - in response to Message 100127.  

Plenty of WUs ready to go (11 million queued jobs), but all i get is No Tasks sent when requesting new work to replace returned work (Ready to send is zero).
In progress has fallen from 550k down to 400k.

Someone needs to give the servers a kick.

Everyone says ditto.

Usually I send a post pre-Xmas msg suggesting a reboot of to make sure everything's ok for the holiday period. This year I was a bit distracted.

The week of Monday 4th January is favourite now - and not the beginning of that week either.
At least I get time to set up my new PC properly now I'm home. Lots of tweaking to do

Merry Christmas.
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Message 100138 - Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 18:13:30 UTC - in response to Message 100134.  

Are you saying that no one can remote into and reboot the servers? Is so, that is not good. There is a _lot_ of computing and good will lost if there are millions of jobs available and no one can download them.
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Message 100139 - Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 19:29:50 UTC - in response to Message 100138.  

Are you saying that no one can remote into and reboot the servers? If so, that is not good.
There is a _lot_ of computing and good will lost if there are millions of jobs available and no one can download them.

In the past, some holidays have been out of all and any contact.
That may not be the case this time, but it's a possibility.
Point being, it'll be fixed when it's fixed and complaining repeatedly in the forums has rarely ever solved it
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Message 100141 - Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 19:54:15 UTC

This time of year I have world community grid on standby because rosetta tends to be down and no one is available to fix it.
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Message 100142 - Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 20:31:43 UTC - in response to Message 100141.  
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This time of year I have world community grid on standby because rosetta tends to be down and no one is available to fix it.
Yes, I am inclined to throw a little more on OPN anyway since you never know where the new mutations will lead.

The project’s primary goal is to search for potential treatments for COVID-19, so studying proteins from SARS-CoV2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) is the highest priority.

Additionally, scientists want to fight not only the current emergency, but also prepare for the ones that will likely follow. Future pandemics could stem from a progressive accumulation of mutations, which can eventually lead to a new virus variant. This is what happened when the virus SARS-CoV1 mutated to become SARS-CoV2. So, the research team is including proteins from the SARS-CoV1 and other viruses to be studied as part of OpenPandemics –COVID-19, which will help them assess how difficult would it be to find or design molecules capable of overcoming the inevitable mutations.
https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/research/opn1/overview.do


I would be happy to consider more Rosetta too if I knew which way they are going. But they don't tell us that.
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Message 100143 - Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 21:15:08 UTC - in response to Message 100133.  
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11 million queued jobs
What matters are "Tasks ready to send" on the Server Status Page and that is near 0.
As i mentioned in my original post.

...all i get is No Tasks sent when requesting new work to replace returned work (Ready to send is zero).

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Message 100147 - Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 22:13:08 UTC - in response to Message 100139.  

Are you saying that no one can remote into and reboot the servers? If so, that is not good.
There is a _lot_ of computing and good will lost if there are millions of jobs available and no one can download them.

In the past, some holidays have been out of all and any contact.
That may not be the case this time, but it's a possibility.
Point being, it'll be fixed when it's fixed and complaining repeatedly in the forums has rarely ever solved it


I see why the feedbacks are felt like complaints, but what it is meant as is an heads up that people want to do work and that idle CPUs are being wasted. People think that this is to important not to be mentioned because people care, and they get a bit bummed out when the reply can be interpreted as "what ever..." I guess no one is expecting people to leave their families to fix this, but it is a disappointment that there is no one who can spend ten minutes in a remote session to reboot the servers, just in case that helps.

To build a strong and lasting community there must be an "us". There must be some feeling of "we are all in on this together". Right now that feeling is diminishing, and that is not good.

I do hope there will be made some effort to both stopping this current bug to reappear, and for a solution where low effort incident resolving can be done.
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Message 100149 - Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 23:58:33 UTC - in response to Message 100147.  

Are you saying that no one can remote into and reboot the servers? If so, that is not good.
There is a _lot_ of computing and good will lost if there are millions of jobs available and no one can download them.

In the past, some holidays have been out of all and any contact.
That may not be the case this time, but it's a possibility.
Point being, it'll be fixed when it's fixed and complaining repeatedly in the forums has rarely ever solved it

I see why the feedbacks are felt like complaints, but what it is meant as is an heads up that people want to do work and that idle CPUs are being wasted. People think that this is too important not to be mentioned because people care, and they get a bit bummed out when the reply can be interpreted as "what ever..." I guess no one is expecting people to leave their families to fix this, but it is a disappointment that there is no one who can spend ten minutes in a remote session to reboot the servers, just in case that helps.

To build a strong and lasting community there must be an "us". There must be some feeling of "we are all in on this together". Right now that feeling is diminishing, and that is not good.

I do hope there will be made some effort to both stopping this current bug to reappear, and for a solution where low effort incident resolving can be done.

This kind of comment never goes down well with me...

- "Idle CPUs" is 100% always a user failure - or "bug" as you mistifyingly want to call it
- If "people think this is too important not to be mentioned" then they'll have missed it already having been mentioned a dozen times
- "ten minutes" - yeah, ok...
- "community", "us" - <puke>
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Message 100152 - Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 0:50:07 UTC - in response to Message 100149.  

Are you saying that no one can remote into and reboot the servers? If so, that is not good.
There is a _lot_ of computing and good will lost if there are millions of jobs available and no one can download them.

In the past, some holidays have been out of all and any contact.
That may not be the case this time, but it's a possibility.
Point being, it'll be fixed when it's fixed and complaining repeatedly in the forums has rarely ever solved it

I see why the feedbacks are felt like complaints, but what it is meant as is an heads up that people want to do work and that idle CPUs are being wasted. People think that this is too important not to be mentioned because people care, and they get a bit bummed out when the reply can be interpreted as "what ever..." I guess no one is expecting people to leave their families to fix this, but it is a disappointment that there is no one who can spend ten minutes in a remote session to reboot the servers, just in case that helps.

To build a strong and lasting community there must be an "us". There must be some feeling of "we are all in on this together". Right now that feeling is diminishing, and that is not good.

I do hope there will be made some effort to both stopping this current bug to reappear, and for a solution where low effort incident resolving can be done.

This kind of comment never goes down well with me...

- "Idle CPUs" is 100% always a user failure - or "bug" as you mistifyingly want to call it
- If "people think this is too important not to be mentioned" then they'll have missed it already having been mentioned a dozen times
- "ten minutes" - yeah, ok...
- "community", "us" - <puke>

Ok, I have gotten your message and taken my computer off line.
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Message 100153 - Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 2:30:59 UTC - in response to Message 100152.  

Are you saying that no one can remote into and reboot the servers? If so, that is not good.
There is a _lot_ of computing and good will lost if there are millions of jobs available and no one can download them.

In the past, some holidays have been out of all and any contact.
That may not be the case this time, but it's a possibility.
Point being, it'll be fixed when it's fixed and complaining repeatedly in the forums has rarely ever solved it

I see why the feedbacks are felt like complaints, but what it is meant as is an heads up that people want to do work and that idle CPUs are being wasted. People think that this is too important not to be mentioned because people care, and they get a bit bummed out when the reply can be interpreted as "what ever..." I guess no one is expecting people to leave their families to fix this, but it is a disappointment that there is no one who can spend ten minutes in a remote session to reboot the servers, just in case that helps.

To build a strong and lasting community there must be an "us". There must be some feeling of "we are all in on this together". Right now that feeling is diminishing, and that is not good.

I do hope there will be made some effort to both stopping this current bug to reappear, and for a solution where low effort incident resolving can be done.

This kind of comment never goes down well with me...

- "Idle CPUs" is 100% always a user failure - or "bug" as you mistifyingly want to call it
- If "people think this is too important not to be mentioned" then they'll have missed it already having been mentioned a dozen times
- "ten minutes" - yeah, ok...
- "community", "us" - <puke>

Ok, I have gotten your message and taken my computer off line.


There are over 30 other Boinc Projects that would love to have your pc crunch for them.
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Message 100154 - Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 2:44:50 UTC - in response to Message 100153.  
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Ok, I have gotten your message and taken my computer off line.
There are over 30 other Boinc Projects that would love to have your pc crunch for them.
As does this project.

Work available to process, but not being sent out, is a project issue that they need to resolve.
To get results, they need to supply the work and fix whatever has caused the supply to come to a halt.
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Message 100165 - Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 19:07:50 UTC - in response to Message 100154.  

Work available to process, but not being sent out, is a project issue that they need to resolve.

I think that we cannot see solution until next week....monday, i hope
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Message 100167 - Posted: 27 Dec 2020, 0:08:07 UTC - in response to Message 100165.  

Work available to process, but not being sent out, is a project issue that they need to resolve.

I think that we cannot see solution until next week... Monday, I hope

You can hope, but anything better than what I said before would pleasantly surprise me
The week of Monday 4th January is favourite now - and not the beginning of that week either.

In fact, in some years, stop-start supply problems have continued to the end of January, though given there's 11million in the pre-queue we may be spared this time.
Wish I was kidding, but past experience tells me this is what we have to expect.
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Message 100168 - Posted: 27 Dec 2020, 0:48:06 UTC - in response to Message 100154.  

Ok, I have gotten your message and taken my computer off line.
There are over 30 other Boinc Projects that would love to have your pc crunch for them.
As does this project.

Work available to process, but not being sent out, is a project issue that they need to resolve.
To get results, they need to supply the work and fix whatever has caused the supply to come to a halt.


Yes they would but the sporadic work makes it difficult for some people to figure things out, especially newbies or those that have focused solely on a single project that's always had work over the years. Those of us who understand how to make Boinc work for US have no problems.
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Message 100169 - Posted: 27 Dec 2020, 0:54:14 UTC - in response to Message 100167.  

Work available to process, but not being sent out, is a project issue that they need to resolve.

I think that we cannot see solution until next week... Monday, I hope


You can hope, but anything better than what I said before would pleasantly surprise me
The week of Monday 4th January is favourite now - and not the beginning of that week either.


In fact, in some years, stop-start supply problems have continued to the end of January, though given there's 11million in the pre-queue we may be spared this time.
Wish I was kidding, but past experience tells me this is what we have to expect.


And that's the problem with a Project that takes weekends off and seems to treat the tasks as 'a nice thing but not necessary to get done today and not tomorrow is okay too'. It's just life at Rosetta and has been that way for a very long time.
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Message 100171 - Posted: 27 Dec 2020, 2:14:53 UTC - in response to Message 100169.  

And that's the problem with a Project that takes weekends off and seems to treat the tasks as 'a nice thing but not necessary to get done today and not tomorrow is okay too'. It's just life at Rosetta and has been that way for a very long time.

It is probably in the nature of the work they send out to us. It is model development as I understand it. But they apparently do the actual folding and design of the proteins themselves.
So if we are out of work for a while, they don't really see the effects. They just make it up by sending out more work later.
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