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Brian Nixon Send message Joined: 12 Apr 20 Posts: 293 Credit: 8,432,366 RAC: 0 |
Isn't there a board or site somewhere that explains what "they" are doing when changes occur in the project that affect the donors in significant ways?There is. You’re on it. But it seems that Rosetta@home has been so successful for so long that “they” no longer feel any need to come here. The supply of computing resources appears to be taken for granted. Researchers simply throw tasks over the wall; as far as we know they do something with the results afterwards. That a batch of work can get sent out configured in a way that cuts off a third of the project’s capacity, without anybody noticing or taking any corrective action even though the problem was instantly noticed and reported by participants, leaves it quite evident that nobody is actively monitoring this project. |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2115 Credit: 41,115,753 RAC: 19,563 |
[snip] I'm sure you're right about both those things, but this is an unattended PC in a room close to where some building work has been done over 2 or 3 months and when I got to it last month it was so covered in cr*p the display no longer works, so I can neither check nor modify it. I'll bring it home with me when I visit next week and try to clean it out and resolve the problem when I can dedicate some proper time to it. It's running WCG just fine for now, so it's not the worst thing in the world. I'll get there eventually. Thanks for offering help. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1671 Credit: 17,529,908 RAC: 22,862 |
Unless you have set it to use local settings, it will use whatever you have set in your account's Computing preferences section.[snip]I'm sure you're right about both those things, but this is an unattended PC in a room close to where some building work has been done over 2 or 3 months and when I got to it last month it was so covered in cr*p the display no longer works, so I can neither check nor modify it. Grant Darwin NT |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1671 Credit: 17,529,908 RAC: 22,862 |
It is a problem when a Work Unit says it it will need 6+GB of RAM, when it really only needs 300MB (or less), as that results in almost a third of the projects computing resources becoming unavailable.It seems the RAM problem is not yet solved. I just updated Rosetta now and got the same complaint about needing 6 GB of RAM and only having 3 GB.It's not a problem, it's just some tasks needing more RAM. Grant Darwin NT |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1671 Credit: 17,529,908 RAC: 22,862 |
And to add to the lack of new work, we had another group of Tasks that had many which crashed and burned in a matter of seconds. And those that didn't error out, only needed 3 hours to reach their end. No wonder that last batch of new work went so quickly. Grant Darwin NT |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2115 Credit: 41,115,753 RAC: 19,563 |
Unless you have set it to use local settings, it will use whatever you have set in your account's Computing preferences section.[snip]I'm sure you're right about both those things, but this is an unattended PC in a room close to where some building work has been done over 2 or 3 months and when I got to it last month it was so covered in cr*p the display no longer works, so I can neither check nor modify it. Oh! That's a good idea. It does continue to attempt connections, so definitely worth a try. I have no idea whether I've set it to local or web preferences (probably local tbh) but I've now edited my web preferences both here and at WCG just in case. |
yo2020 Send message Joined: 2 Jan 21 Posts: 2 Credit: 111,170 RAC: 0 |
Isn't there a board or site somewhere that explains what "they" are doing when changes occur in the project that affect the donors in significant ways?There is. You’re on it. But it seems that Rosetta@home has been so successful for so long that “they” no longer feel any need to come here. The supply of computing resources appears to be taken for granted. Researchers simply throw tasks over the wall; as far as we know they do something with the results afterwards. That a batch of work can get sent out configured in a way that cuts off a third of the project’s capacity, without anybody noticing or taking any corrective action even though the problem was instantly noticed and reported by participants, leaves it quite evident that nobody is actively monitoring this project. Yeah, and now the queue is empty and nobody cares to give an explanation or at least say "yeah, we know, we're working on it". |
[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1993 Credit: 9,520,400 RAC: 11,365 |
No wonder that last batch of new work went so quickly. Wus with bugs, empty queues, lack of communications. This is why i reduce my cpu time in this project... |
Jim1348 Send message Joined: 19 Jan 06 Posts: 881 Credit: 52,257,545 RAC: 0 |
This is why i reduce my cpu time in this project...I used to run Rosetta by itself. Now I run SiDock too (both at 100%) and don't have to worry about switching anything. Of course, Rosetta then gets less total CPU time, but it appears that they don't need it/can't use it anyway. |
[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1993 Credit: 9,520,400 RAC: 11,365 |
Of course, Rosetta then gets less total CPU time, but it appears that they don't need it/can't use it anyway. It doesn't take much to keep the volunteers... |
Tom Send message Joined: 17 May 20 Posts: 2 Credit: 82,463 RAC: 0 |
I must agree with Brian, pretty disappointing that I have yet to see a project admin come in even acknowledging there is an issue. I'll give it to the end of the week. If it doesn't appear anyone is working on the problem I'll most likely drop Rosetta and look for a different project to donate processing to. |
Greger Send message Joined: 3 May 14 Posts: 10 Credit: 114,800,157 RAC: 160,523 |
<message> process exited with code 1 (0x1, -255)</message> ERROR: ERROR: FragmentIO: could not open file 00001.500.6mers ERROR:: Exit from: src/core/fragment/FragmentIO.cc line: 233 BOINC:: Error reading and gzipping output datafile: default.out |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2115 Credit: 41,115,753 RAC: 19,563 |
Returning to my anecdote about a remote PC I have being unable to download any Rosetta tasks, so running its backup project, WCG, 24/7, my local laptop is also doing weird things. It refuses to run a particular Rosetta task, so it's running those it has room for - a combination of WCG and later Rosetta tasks, but only 3 on 4 cores. Now I know it's definitely happening, I've set NNT and suspended all running tasks except for the one problem Rosetta task. It still refuses to run, even as the only task. No tasks are running in my experiment! The saga continues after a few tasks completed. The same two tasks refuse to run and other tasks run in their place - 2 out of 4 cores. I suspended all tasks except the ones waiting for memory and still they refused to run [Leave non-GPU tasks in memory while suspended - checked] I decide to abort the 2 tasks. Two new tasks run in their place and all 4 cores now in use. That took more messing around than I expected. Let's see how it goes from now on |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2115 Credit: 41,115,753 RAC: 19,563 |
Seeing as it seems to be whining season for the excessively-entitled it might be worth making myself as popular as usual by stating the obvious that I can't be the only one aware of. 1) Looking at my main PC, I've downloaded 54 tasks today across 10 separate downloads. Even my weirdly-running laptop managed 6 more. And my Android 4 more. For all the comments about it (none) it seems like I'm the only one. Of course, I'm not. 2) There are people here from all over the world, and a similar range of nationalities and creeds at UW from what I've observed, so some people may not be aware that UW is in the USA, which is a largely Christian country. Traditionally their institutions and work-places close for the Easter holidays which have been taking place over the last4 days, from "Good Friday" to "Easter Monday" even if some of the people working there don't personally celebrate. But, of course, during this holiday period people here expect to demand the creation and issue of sufficient work to serve at least a third of a million tasks per day to the world at large, with no respite. And the amazing thing is, a fair few do seem to have come down. Maybe my caches aren't quite completely full, but near enough. And as thanks, I see the usual levels of appreciation here, to wit, "if you don't supply what I need 24hrs a day, even during the holiday season, and provide chapter and verse on progress to tell us what we already know, loyalty will be shown by reducing contribution levels or leaving altogether" Maybe you should have the occasional day off from your disgusting levels or personal entitlement too. Though tbf, there's never any shortage of that. Yeah, save it. I heard last time too. And the time before that. And the time before that etc |
mrhastyrib Send message Joined: 18 Feb 21 Posts: 90 Credit: 2,541,890 RAC: 0 |
We had an interruption in power here last night (it happens), and when I got up this AM I found one of my hosts was completely dead. So, I restarted it and when I got into BOINC, I am finding that every task that I download aborts for "Computational Error" within about 20 seconds. While this was going on, I tried to add SiDock as another project, with the intent to diversify as some have suggested (currently running Rosetta only). That produced an error that said that I could not join because I am required to agree to the terms of service. Which I did. I tried it a couple more times to confirm it. Now I'm wondering if the power failure messed up something in BOINC, or if the problems are coincidental and not related to me. Any suggestions? {EDIT} I fixed the problems with joining SiDock. But all of the tasks from that project error out just like the ones for Rosetta. So I've suspended both projects until I can figure out a solution. |
mrhastyrib Send message Joined: 18 Feb 21 Posts: 90 Credit: 2,541,890 RAC: 0 |
Maybe you should have the occasional day off from your disgusting levels or personal entitlement too. You said it yourself: there's a lot of diversity here. Some people are easygoing; others are more anal for whatever reason. Me, I have obsessive-compulsive tendencies, so it rubs me the wrong way when I can't get the idealized version of Rosetta participation that I envision. Some people might find that disgusting. I know that others dislike the use of "@" and the slag use of "dude." People have bad days sometimes, and it's easy to take it out on an online project that seems to be more machine than human. Speaking of Easter and bad days, just for kicks, I bought some cool egg decorating kits, which contained markers, stickers, stencils, etc. I was trying to do an elaborate floral pattern on my eggs, to give it some "wow" cred, but the stencil kept slipping. I became frustrated, and then distraught. More distraught than I am now, with one of my hosts not producing anything. More distraught than I had any right to be. But no matter how carefully I worked at it, I couldn't get the stencil to stay in the right place. I guess that you could say I was having an eggs 'n stencil crisis. |
Falconet Send message Joined: 9 Mar 09 Posts: 353 Credit: 1,222,776 RAC: 4,349 |
I received 5 Rosetta work units on my laptop today. They all errored out. The desktop also received 8 work units, 6 of which errored out. |
Bryn Mawr Send message Joined: 26 Dec 18 Posts: 389 Credit: 12,070,320 RAC: 12,300 |
We had an interruption in power here last night (it happens), and when I got up this AM I found one of my hosts was completely dead. So, I restarted it and when I got into BOINC, I am finding that every task that I download aborts for "Computational Error" within about 20 seconds. At the moment every Rosetta task I get is bombing Computation Error within 25 seconds of starting. |
Brian Nixon Send message Joined: 12 Apr 20 Posts: 293 Credit: 8,432,366 RAC: 0 |
Ignore the …_abinitio_1_abinitio_… tasks; lots of people are reporting problems with those. For the others, this is a clue that all is not well: couldn't start app: Input file rosetta_4.20_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu missing or invalid: file missingTry Reset project under Project commands (Simple view) or on the Projects tab (Advanced view). Not sure about the SiDock issue; try the forums over there. {EDIT, though we’re way off topic here} You’re missing some prerequisite system libraries (glibc-2.27) which are newer than your version of Linux. It might be possible to install those alongside your system glibc, or it might be easier to update the whole OS. SiDock uses much more modern software than Rosetta; I have the same problem that I can’t run it on the ancient version of Windows on my crunchers… |
mrhastyrib Send message Joined: 18 Feb 21 Posts: 90 Credit: 2,541,890 RAC: 0 |
You’re missing some prerequisite system libraries (glibc-2.27) Woah, dude, you can tell that even though my system was turned off? Did you find the horse porn folder too? That was from...uh, my kid brother. |
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