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Message 104723 - Posted: 8 Feb 2022, 2:49:38 UTC - in response to Message 104721.  

Write to disk at most every 600 seconds (this is a pointless setting which is blatantly ignored)
Well mine says 10 minutes, but the writing is continuous. I just ran some rare covid GPU units from WCG. The disk was doing 20MB/sec write non-stop. Another Boinc screwup.
What write to disk setting?
I've looked and can't any such setting in the Rosetta project settings or in the Computing preferences settings. How can something that doesn't exist be a screwup?
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Message 104724 - Posted: 8 Feb 2022, 2:56:03 UTC - in response to Message 104723.  

Write to disk at most every 600 seconds (this is a pointless setting which is blatantly ignored)
Well mine says 10 minutes, but the writing is continuous. I just ran some rare covid GPU units from WCG. The disk was doing 20MB/sec write non-stop. Another Boinc screwup.
What write to disk setting?
I've looked and can't any such setting in the Rosetta project settings or in the Computing preferences settings. How can something that doesn't exist be a screwup?
If you're using the horrid Boinc Manager, I think it's under "Request tasks to checkpoint" under computing tab in computing preferences.
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Message 104725 - Posted: 8 Feb 2022, 3:10:01 UTC - in response to Message 104724.  
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Write to disk at most every 600 seconds (this is a pointless setting which is blatantly ignored)
Well mine says 10 minutes, but the writing is continuous. I just ran some rare covid GPU units from WCG. The disk was doing 20MB/sec write non-stop. Another Boinc screwup.
What write to disk setting?
I've looked and can't any such setting in the Rosetta project settings or in the Computing preferences settings. How can something that doesn't exist be a screwup?
If you're using the horrid Boinc Manager, I think it's under "Request tasks to checkpoint" under computing tab in computing preferences.
Account page, Computing preferences, Computing, Other,
Request tasks to checkpoint at most every xx seconds
is as it says- It is a request, not a hard limit or requirement.

It is up to each application that is running as to when it actually checkpoints- if the project programmer chooses not to take input from the user settings, then that's somthing you need to takae up with that project. It is not a BOINC failure.
The most frequent complaint has been about applications not checkpointing often enough, and people losing work.
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Message 104727 - Posted: 8 Feb 2022, 7:29:12 UTC - in response to Message 104719.  

Greg, technical questions are being asked, you can respond here, or tell me what to say if you don't want to create an account.
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/4629#issuecomment-1032102228



I'm there adding my remarks, thanks
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Message 104731 - Posted: 8 Feb 2022, 18:47:36 UTC - in response to Message 104725.  

Write to disk at most every 600 seconds (this is a pointless setting which is blatantly ignored)
Well mine says 10 minutes, but the writing is continuous. I just ran some rare covid GPU units from WCG. The disk was doing 20MB/sec write non-stop. Another Boinc screwup.
What write to disk setting?
I've looked and can't any such setting in the Rosetta project settings or in the Computing preferences settings. How can something that doesn't exist be a screwup?
If you're using the horrid Boinc Manager, I think it's under "Request tasks to checkpoint" under computing tab in computing preferences.
Account page, Computing preferences, Computing, Other,
Request tasks to checkpoint at most every xx seconds
is as it says- It is a request, not a hard limit or requirement.

It is up to each application that is running as to when it actually checkpoints- if the project programmer chooses not to take input from the user settings, then that's somthing you need to takae up with that project. It is not a BOINC failure.
The most frequent complaint has been about applications not checkpointing often enough, and people losing work.
Since virtually no project obeys this, it might aswell not be there. And on Boinctasks it's called "write to disk at most x seconds".
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Message 104732 - Posted: 8 Feb 2022, 18:52:22 UTC - in response to Message 104731.  

Since virtually no project obeys this, it might aswell not be there. And on Boinctasks it's called "write to disk at most x seconds".


That, surely, is BoincTasks and Efmer’s problem and nothing to do with Boinc.
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Message 104733 - Posted: 8 Feb 2022, 19:05:02 UTC - in response to Message 104732.  
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Since virtually no project obeys this, it might aswell not be there. And on Boinctasks it's called "write to disk at most x seconds".
That, surely, is BoincTasks and Efmer’s problem and nothing to do with Boinc.
Presumably it was the Boinctasks author assuming "Request tasks to checkpoint at most every xx seconds" actually got obeyed once in a blue moon. Yes Boinctasks can have bugs, but it's 50 times easier to use than Boinc Manager. They really need to work on the interface. For example, I download 600 MW tasks at once to run on my GPU (just 2 hours work). Boinc Manager displays each of these on its own seperate line, no colour coding, nothing, I feel like I'm not in a GUI at all.
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Message 104737 - Posted: 8 Feb 2022, 22:29:32 UTC - in response to Message 104733.  

Since virtually no project obeys this, it might aswell not be there. And on Boinctasks it's called "write to disk at most x seconds".
That, surely, is BoincTasks and Efmer’s problem and nothing to do with Boinc.
Presumably it was the Boinctasks author assuming "Request tasks to checkpoint at most every xx seconds" actually got obeyed once in a blue moon. Yes Boinctasks can have bugs, but it's 50 times easier to use than Boinc Manager. They really need to work on the interface. For example, I download 600 MW tasks at once to run on my GPU (just 2 hours work). Boinc Manager displays each of these on its own seperate line, no colour coding, nothing, I feel like I'm not in a GUI at all.


But BM is not a fancy GUI interface, it is there to present you with the raw data.
BT is a fancy GUI and project manager, but it takes its info from BM and just arranges it in a nice easy way that makes sense.
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Message 104738 - Posted: 8 Feb 2022, 22:31:04 UTC - in response to Message 104727.  

Greg, technical questions are being asked, you can respond here, or tell me what to say if you don't want to create an account.
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/4629#issuecomment-1032102228



I'm there adding my remarks, thanks



Been watching this thread all day, the usual things came up, but then someone got a idea and they now see the problem.

I see they bumped it to 3 different sections. So it's something on their list.
Finally!
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Message 104740 - Posted: 8 Feb 2022, 22:42:31 UTC - in response to Message 104737.  

Since virtually no project obeys this, it might aswell not be there. And on Boinctasks it's called "write to disk at most x seconds".
That, surely, is BoincTasks and Efmer’s problem and nothing to do with Boinc.
Presumably it was the Boinctasks author assuming "Request tasks to checkpoint at most every xx seconds" actually got obeyed once in a blue moon. Yes Boinctasks can have bugs, but it's 50 times easier to use than Boinc Manager. They really need to work on the interface. For example, I download 600 MW tasks at once to run on my GPU (just 2 hours work). Boinc Manager displays each of these on its own seperate line, no colour coding, nothing, I feel like I'm not in a GUI at all.
But BM is not a fancy GUI interface, it is there to present you with the raw data.
BT is a fancy GUI and project manager, but it takes its info from BM and just arranges it in a nice easy way that makes sense.
Yes, it fills in the gaps Boinc forgot about.
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Message 104741 - Posted: 8 Feb 2022, 22:43:25 UTC - in response to Message 104738.  
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Greg, technical questions are being asked, you can respond here, or tell me what to say if you don't want to create an account.
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/4629#issuecomment-1032102228
I'm there adding my remarks, thanks
Been watching this thread all day, the usual things came up, but then someone got a idea and they now see the problem.

I see they bumped it to 3 different sections. So it's something on their list.
Finally!
It's a pity you ended up with a slower drive because of it. This main PC has a 500GB SSD and a 4TB HDD. I want to replace the SSD (and even the HDD) with NVME, but lack of funds....
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Message 104742 - Posted: 8 Feb 2022, 23:13:13 UTC - in response to Message 104737.  

Since virtually no project obeys this, it might aswell not be there. And on Boinctasks it's called "write to disk at most x seconds".
That, surely, is BoincTasks and Efmer’s problem and nothing to do with Boinc.
Presumably it was the Boinctasks author assuming "Request tasks to checkpoint at most every xx seconds" actually got obeyed once in a blue moon. Yes Boinctasks can have bugs, but it's 50 times easier to use than Boinc Manager. They really need to work on the interface. For example, I download 600 MW tasks at once to run on my GPU (just 2 hours work). Boinc Manager displays each of these on its own seperate line, no colour coding, nothing, I feel like I'm not in a GUI at all.


But BM is not a fancy GUI interface, it is there to present you with the raw data.
BT is a fancy GUI and project manager, but it takes its info from BM and just arranges it in a nice easy way that makes sense.


If BT rewords the fixed text used in BM and the complaint is that the fixed text in BT is wrong then the fault cannot be attributed to BM.
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Message 104743 - Posted: 8 Feb 2022, 23:18:39 UTC - in response to Message 104742.  

Since virtually no project obeys this, it might aswell not be there. And on Boinctasks it's called "write to disk at most x seconds".
That, surely, is BoincTasks and Efmer’s problem and nothing to do with Boinc.
Presumably it was the Boinctasks author assuming "Request tasks to checkpoint at most every xx seconds" actually got obeyed once in a blue moon. Yes Boinctasks can have bugs, but it's 50 times easier to use than Boinc Manager. They really need to work on the interface. For example, I download 600 MW tasks at once to run on my GPU (just 2 hours work). Boinc Manager displays each of these on its own seperate line, no colour coding, nothing, I feel like I'm not in a GUI at all.


But BM is not a fancy GUI interface, it is there to present you with the raw data.
BT is a fancy GUI and project manager, but it takes its info from BM and just arranges it in a nice easy way that makes sense.
If BT rewords the fixed text used in BM and the complaint is that the fixed text in BT is wrong then the fault cannot be attributed to BM.
Yes it can since both wordings are a lie. The projects ignore your setting entirely.
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Message 104744 - Posted: 9 Feb 2022, 1:39:30 UTC

Quick note to say I've just grabbed some Rosetta 4.20 tasks...
...and they haven't even run out yet

#TurningOverANewLeaf
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Message 104745 - Posted: 9 Feb 2022, 1:43:59 UTC - in response to Message 104744.  

Quick note to say I've just grabbed some Rosetta 4.20 tasks...
...and they haven't even run out yet

#TurningOverANewLeaf
I really don't get hashtags. Are they for search engines that don't work right?
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Message 104746 - Posted: 9 Feb 2022, 1:45:16 UTC - in response to Message 104744.  

Quick note to say I've just grabbed some Rosetta 4.20 tasks...
...and they haven't even run out yet
Total queued jobs: 3,039,399 - wasn't it 2 and a bit million pythons? If so that is a lot of 4.2. Engage.
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Message 104747 - Posted: 9 Feb 2022, 2:10:51 UTC - in response to Message 104746.  
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Quick note to say I've just grabbed some Rosetta 4.20 tasks...
...and they haven't even run out yet
Total queued jobs: 3,039,399 - wasn't it 2 and a bit million pythons? If so that is a lot of 4.2. Engage.

Ahh . . , 42 the answer to , Life , The universe , And everything crunchable , MunchMunchLunch
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Message 104748 - Posted: 9 Feb 2022, 2:56:46 UTC - in response to Message 104747.  
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Quick note to say I've just grabbed some Rosetta 4.20 tasks...
...and they haven't even run out yet
Total queued jobs: 3,039,399 - wasn't it 2 and a bit million pythons? If so that is a lot of 4.2. Engage.

Ahh . . , 42 the answer to , Life , The universe , And everything crunchable , MunchMunchLunch
Have you consumed more homebrew than me? And it's not lunch here, it's 3am, I should be sleeping.
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Message 104749 - Posted: 9 Feb 2022, 6:48:08 UTC - in response to Message 104741.  

Greg, technical questions are being asked, you can respond here, or tell me what to say if you don't want to create an account.
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/4629#issuecomment-1032102228
I'm there adding my remarks, thanks
Been watching this thread all day, the usual things came up, but then someone got a idea and they now see the problem.

I see they bumped it to 3 different sections. So it's something on their list.
Finally!
It's a pity you ended up with a slower drive because of it. This main PC has a 500GB SSD and a 4TB HDD. I want to replace the SSD (and even the HDD) with NVME, but lack of funds....



Slower? Faster than the HDD. It's data storage, so super speed is not so important.
But this bug cost me a lot of time, frustration and a bit of money.
Fuel costs to swap plus 5 euros more for SSD vs the M.2
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Message 104750 - Posted: 9 Feb 2022, 7:18:21 UTC - in response to Message 104748.  

Quick note to say I've just grabbed some Rosetta 4.20 tasks...
...and they haven't even run out yet
Total queued jobs: 3,039,399 - wasn't it 2 and a bit million pythons? If so that is a lot of 4.2. Engage.

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