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Message 4233 - Posted: 25 Nov 2005, 6:43:45 UTC

My research group is involved both in fundamental methods development research and in trying to fight disease more directly. Most of the information on this site focuses on basic research, but I thought you might be interested in hearing about some of the disease related work we are doing.

Malaria: We are part of a collaborative project headed by Austin Burt at Imperial College in London that is one of the Gates Foundation "Grand Challenge Projects in Global Health". Malaria is caused by a parasite that spends part of its life cycle inside the mosquito, and is passed along to humans by mosquito bites. The idea behind the project is to make mosquitos resistant to the parasite by eliminating genes required in the mosquito for the parasite to live. Our part of the project is to use our computer based design methods (rosetta) to engineer new enzymes that will specifically target and inactivate these genes.

Anthrax: We are helping a research group at Harvard build models of anthrax toxin that should contribute to the development of treatments. You can read the abstract of a paper describing some of this work at
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/102/45/16409

HIV: One of the reasons that HIV is such a deadly virus is that it has evolved to trick the immune system. We are collaborating with researchers in Seattle and at the NIH to try to develop a vaccine for HIV. Our role in this project is central--we are using rosetta to design small proteins that display the small number of critical regions of the HIV coat protein in a way that the immune system can easily recognize and generate antibodies to. Our goal is to create small stable protein vaccines that can be made very cheaply and shipped all over the world.

You might wonder what the relationship is between protein structure prediction and designing new proteins. It turns out they are very closely related, and the improvments in methods you are helping us make can be directly translated into making new enzymes, vaccines, etc. For more information on protein design you might be interested in looking at the review we recently wrote in science which is available at our home page (depts.washington.edu/bakerpg)
Schueler-Furman, O., Wang, C., Bradley, P., Misura, K., Baker, D. (2005). Progress in modeling of protein structures and interactions Science 310, 638-642. [Full Text PDF]

With the wonderful contributions all of you are making, we can now make much more rapid progress on the disease fighting front. David Kim is working on an internal queuing system so that the scientists in my group working on these projects can utilize this amazing new resource. Right now he is the only one who can submit jobs, which is a hassle for him especially since there are so many other aspects of keeping the project going he is working on every day. So be on the lookout for new types of work units several weeks from now.

Thanks again for all your help, and happy thanksgiving!

David

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Message 4254 - Posted: 25 Nov 2005, 13:53:26 UTC - in response to Message 4233.  

Thanks for the info!

What makes this project so special to me is the sincere interest the project staff has in communicating with the crunchers out there.

I hope this will continue in the future.

And good luck on your research. When I was in science (I was a developmental Psychologist) I loved the rush I got when new results came in.

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Message 4255 - Posted: 25 Nov 2005, 13:53:53 UTC
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The idea behind the project is to make mosquitos resistant to the parasite by eliminating genes required in the mosquito for the parasite to live.
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Why can't you research making the mosquitoes catch malaria and die. That way, we are spared malaria AND mossie bites!
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Message 4262 - Posted: 25 Nov 2005, 15:21:07 UTC - in response to Message 4255.  
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The idea behind the project is to make mosquitos resistant to the parasite by eliminating genes required in the mosquito for the parasite to live.
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Why can't you research making the mosquitoes catch malaria and die. That way, we are spared malaria AND mossie bites!


There are a bunch of animals that survive by eating mosquitos. . both adults and larvae. . as much as they suck (no pun intended), they play a role in the food chain.

Thanks DB for the update!
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Message 4265 - Posted: 25 Nov 2005, 15:50:21 UTC

They think they have come up with a way to stop them spreading Malaria, over here in the UK I remember reading an article not too long ago that they were going to make the mosquito pee more this would flush all the malaria out I think they are researching this at the moment
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Message 4341 - Posted: 26 Nov 2005, 11:15:31 UTC

Seen as we are talkinh Malaria & HIV then http://usefulchem.blogspot.com/
Some interesting stuff, that and a list of potential anti-hiv, anti-malaria compounds
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Message 4365 - Posted: 26 Nov 2005, 16:30:07 UTC

Not only is the science of this project compelling, but your willingness to communicate and let us really feel involvement..... KUDOS

I hope your success only breeds more of the same

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Message 4379 - Posted: 26 Nov 2005, 18:59:56 UTC

yes i love hearing about what your doing :)
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Message 4443 - Posted: 27 Nov 2005, 13:22:25 UTC

Great update!! Hope to put a much more powerful machine onto this project shortly!!!!


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Message 5152 - Posted: 5 Dec 2005, 5:58:58 UTC - in response to Message 4233.  

HIV: One of the reasons that HIV is such a deadly virus is that it has evolved to trick the immune system. We are collaborating with researchers in Seattle and at the NIH to try to develop a vaccine for HIV. Our role in this project is central--we are using rosetta to design small proteins that display the small number of critical regions of the HIV coat protein in a way that the immune system can easily recognize and generate antibodies to. Our goal is to create small stable protein vaccines that can be made very cheaply and shipped all over the world.


David,

I've been pondering about this explanation of your plans for working on combatting HIV, and was wondering how accurate the following "layman's explanation" is. The reason I'm curious is that I want a 15 second sales pitch that I can use to do a real hard sell for Rosetta.

Would the following be one way of describing what you have in mind.

The big problem with HIV is that your immune system can't see it, and so doesn't do anything about it. What Rosetta will do is help design a big bucket of red paint that we can splash on the virus. This says "HEY GUYS, OVER HERE!" to your immune system, so that it can see the virus and go to work on it.
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Message 5661 - Posted: 9 Dec 2005, 4:03:50 UTC - in response to Message 5152.  

HIV: One of the reasons that HIV is such a deadly virus is that it has evolved to trick the immune system. We are collaborating with researchers in Seattle and at the NIH to try to develop a vaccine for HIV. Our role in this project is central--we are using rosetta to design small proteins that display the small number of critical regions of the HIV coat protein in a way that the immune system can easily recognize and generate antibodies to. Our goal is to create small stable protein vaccines that can be made very cheaply and shipped all over the world.


David,

I've been pondering about this explanation of your plans for working on combatting HIV, and was wondering how accurate the following "layman's explanation" is. The reason I'm curious is that I want a 15 second sales pitch that I can use to do a real hard sell for Rosetta.

Would the following be one way of describing what you have in mind.

The big problem with HIV is that your immune system can't see it, and so doesn't do anything about it. What Rosetta will do is help design a big bucket of red paint that we can splash on the virus. This says "HEY GUYS, OVER HERE!" to your immune system, so that it can see the virus and go to work on it.


Sorry about missing this--there are too many things to follow on the message boards these days (we need help!).

You are close. the outer surface of HIV is extremely variable, so when an infected person has an immune response to it, the antibodies don't do anything because the virus has already changed. but there are a few key "Achilles heel" regions where the virus can't change because it needs these regions to keep infecting people, get into cells, etc. Unfortunately, the immune system doesn't usually make antibodies to these regions, because the variable parts are much more noticeable to the immune system (this is one of the ways in which the virus is very tricky). Our idea is to take these "Achilles heel"
regions that are critical to the virus, and embed them into small stable proteins which could be sent all over the world very cheaply. The hope is that when vaccinated with these proteins, people will make antibodies to these Achilles heel regions (because in contrast to when on the real virus, on the vaccine they will be very conspicuous). So then people will have antibodies which can "neutralize" the virus (indeed, several "neutralizaing" antibodies have been found in patients, and they do recognize the Achilles heel regions, but they are normally either not made or made at very low levels).



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Message 5669 - Posted: 9 Dec 2005, 6:04:01 UTC

If you want an analogy, you might try this:

Normally, the immune system sends out an army of antibodies when it detects the virus, but the army has very vague and constantly changing descriptions of their target, and so is ineffective. In the case of the designed vaccine, it's like giving the army a very precise description of the target and the holes in the target's armor. After being vaccinated, if a person is exposed to HIV, they will have a prepared and informed army of antibodies ready to jump on the virus before it can get a foothold and replicate.


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Message 5674 - Posted: 9 Dec 2005, 6:33:17 UTC - in response to Message 5661.  

HIV: One of the reasons that HIV is such a deadly virus is that it has evolved to trick the immune system. We are collaborating with researchers in Seattle and at the NIH to try to develop a vaccine for HIV. Our role in this project is central--we are using rosetta to design small proteins that display the small number of critical regions of the HIV coat protein in a way that the immune system can easily recognize and generate antibodies to. Our goal is to create small stable protein vaccines that can be made very cheaply and shipped all over the world.


David,

I've been pondering about this explanation of your plans for working on combatting HIV, and was wondering how accurate the following "layman's explanation" is. The reason I'm curious is that I want a 15 second sales pitch that I can use to do a real hard sell for Rosetta.

Would the following be one way of describing what you have in mind.

The big problem with HIV is that your immune system can't see it, and so doesn't do anything about it. What Rosetta will do is help design a big bucket of red paint that we can splash on the virus. This says "HEY GUYS, OVER HERE!" to your immune system, so that it can see the virus and go to work on it.


Sorry about missing this--there are too many things to follow on the message boards these days (we need help!).

You are close. the outer surface of HIV is extremely variable, so when an infected person has an immune response to it, the antibodies don't do anything because the virus has already changed. but there are a few key "Achilles heel" regions where the virus can't change because it needs these regions to keep infecting people, get into cells, etc. Unfortunately, the immune system doesn't usually make antibodies to these regions, because the variable parts are much more noticeable to the immune system (this is one of the ways in which the virus is very tricky). Our idea is to take these "Achilles heel"
regions that are critical to the virus, and embed them into small stable proteins which could be sent all over the world very cheaply. The hope is that when vaccinated with these proteins, people will make antibodies to these Achilles heel regions (because in contrast to when on the real virus, on the vaccine they will be very conspicuous). So then people will have antibodies which can "neutralize" the virus (indeed, several "neutralizaing" antibodies have been found in patients, and they do recognize the Achilles heel regions, but they are normally either not made or made at very low levels).


Thanks for the very clear explanation.

You're right, I was close, but not quite correct.

When I think back to the copy book example of a vaccine, it's Edward Jenner and his use of coxpox to get people to make antibodies that worked on smallpox. What you describe is very similar, it's just that instead of using a naurally occuring entity, we'll be building an extremely custom vaccine.
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Message 5770 - Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 5:08:46 UTC - in response to Message 5661.  
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You are close. the outer surface of HIV is extremely variable, so when an infected person has an immune response to it, the antibodies don't do anything because the virus has already changed. but there are a few key "Achilles heel" regions where the virus can't change because it needs these regions to keep infecting people, get into cells, etc. Unfortunately, the immune system doesn't usually make antibodies to these regions, because the variable parts are much more noticeable to the immune system (this is one of the ways in which the virus is very tricky). Our idea is to take these "Achilles heel"
regions that are critical to the virus, and embed them into small stable proteins which could be sent all over the world very cheaply. The hope is that when vaccinated with these proteins, people will make antibodies to these Achilles heel regions (because in contrast to when on the real virus, on the vaccine they will be very conspicuous). So then people will have antibodies which can "neutralize" the virus (indeed, several "neutralizaing" antibodies have been found in patients, and they do recognize the Achilles heel regions, but they are normally either not made or made at very low levels).




It doesn't make sense to me why this would work.

If the body doesn't readily and frequently recognize these portions of the virus outer surface as portions that would instigate an auto-immune response, then what good would vaccinating someone against these proteins do?

Even if the body had been vaccinated, the antibodies wouldn't be released in force unless the body recognized a potential threat. - Which.. if it recognized HIV in this way, it would create the proper antibodies anyway. Or do I have the wrong impression of the immune system?

Or maybe I am just thinking too hard :)
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Message 6560 - Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 14:50:29 UTC - in response to Message 5770.  
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...If the body doesn't readily and frequently recognize these portions of the virus outer surface as portions that would instigate an auto-immune response, then what good would vaccinating someone against these proteins do?

Even if the body had been vaccinated, the antibodies wouldn't be released in force unless the body recognized a potential threat. - Which.. if it recognized HIV in this way, it would create the proper antibodies anyway. Or do I have the wrong impression of the immune system?

Or maybe I am just thinking too hard :)


As I understand it (as a physicist, not a bio) the point is that the HIV virus offers a number of obvious targets to the immune system, but they are disposable decoys rather than the really vital unchangeable targets.

By putting the real targets up _without_ the cunning distractors, the immun system has a better chance of getting it right. Then when the real HIV arrives, the unchangeable targets are visible enough for the immune system to attack.

It attacks what it knows even tho they are a little less visible than the decoys

Am I in the right ballpark here?

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Message 6586 - Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 18:48:55 UTC - in response to Message 6560.  

...If the body doesn't readily and frequently recognize these portions of the virus outer surface as portions that would instigate an auto-immune response, then what good would vaccinating someone against these proteins do?

Even if the body had been vaccinated, the antibodies wouldn't be released in force unless the body recognized a potential threat. - Which.. if it recognized HIV in this way, it would create the proper antibodies anyway. Or do I have the wrong impression of the immune system?

Or maybe I am just thinking too hard :)


As I understand it (as a physicist, not a bio) the point is that the HIV virus offers a number of obvious targets to the immune system, but they are disposable decoys rather than the really vital unchangeable targets.

By putting the real targets up _without_ the cunning distractors, the immun system has a better chance of getting it right. Then when the real HIV arrives, the unchangeable targets are visible enough for the immune system to attack.

It attacks what it knows even tho they are a little less visible than the decoys

Am I in the right ballpark here?


Yes, this is exactly right! sorry I didn't get to answering this earlier.
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Message 6946 - Posted: 20 Dec 2005, 22:28:00 UTC - in response to Message 4233.  

My research group is involved both in fundamental methods development research and in trying to fight disease more directly. Most of the information on this site focuses on basic research, but I thought you might be interested in hearing about some of the disease related work we are doing.

Malaria: ...

Anthrax: ...

HIV: ...

...

With the wonderful contributions all of you are making, we can now make much more rapid progress on the disease fighting front. ...

Thanks again for all your help, and happy thanksgiving!

David


You're wellcome! :-)

I've posted this over at Seti, where I linked to this thread!

I feel so excited and proud of being able to participate in this, all thanks to BOINC and the guys over at Seti with their visions and foresight!


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Message 7014 - Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 14:14:57 UTC - in response to Message 6946.  


I feel so excited and proud of being able to participate in this, all thanks to BOINC and the guys over at Seti with their visions and foresight!


agree on both points.

The best thing to come out of SETI@home was the open infrastructure that others could use to get a DC project up and running. And Rosetta is an excellent use of Berkley's foresight and generosity.

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Message 7139 - Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 6:57:11 UTC

Maybe I'm just out in the dark here, but then again, I'm no geneticist. But how does one get this structure from a virus? And in getting this structure, how is one not able to see the commonalities between samples? I can understand that somewhere there is this beyond extreme amount of data that needs to be crunched. But to me it's just like a photographer taking pictures of an actor. No matter what the actor dresses in, the photographer can eventually notice that in each picture, the eyes are still green or there's a mole that doesn't cover up. I know I'm wrong in my thought processes, so somebody PLEASE educate me.
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Message 7153 - Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 9:22:34 UTC - in response to Message 7139.  

Hi Matt, I'll try to answer your questions (assuming I correctly understand what you are asking)

But how does one get this structure from a virus?


The HIV virus is large and "squishy", so we don't have a structure of the entire virus, but thanks to some dedicated structural biologists out there, there are structures of some pieces of HIV's critical proteins, and even some structures of these HIV proteins binding to human T-cell (immune) proteins.

And in getting this structure, how is one not able to see the commonalities between samples?

Actually, these structures have given us a lot of information on the important parts of HIV that we need to target in order to prevent infection. Also, even before these structures became available, sequencing of different samples told us which parts of HIV mutate quickly and which remain constant from year to year, and strain to strain. But actually using this information to design vaccines or cures is easier said than done.

But to me it's just like a photographer taking pictures of an actor. No matter what the actor dresses in, the photographer can eventually notice that in each picture ... there's a mole that doesn't cover up.

Actually, in the case of HIV that "mole" (ie the common weak points that all HIV strains share) is pretty well covered up (with carbs and other proteins) so it's not very visible. When it does become visible, it is only for a short time. So the immune system doesn't notice it at first.

I think you are wondering why the immune system doesn't eventually notice the "mole"/weak point and go after it? Well, the thing with HIV is once it gets into the T-cells and really starts replicating, it shuts down the immune system (this is what is happening when you hear that an HIV infection is developing into AIDS and the patients' white blood cell count is dropping). Once the immune system is disabled, there is no chance for it to recognize the vulnerabilities of the virus and fight it off.

What this means is that in the case of HIV infection the immune system is in a race against time. If the virus is not cleared immediately upon infection, it will shut down the immune system (sabotage it), and there are no second chances after that. Presenting a person's immune system with a vaccine ensures that immune system will be ready to clear the virus immediately upon infection, before the virus has a chance to shut it down.

I hope that answers your question (instead of confusing you even more ;-)

PS You might know that many HIV infected people live happily for years before developing AIDS, and you might wonder why the immune system doesn't use that time to find an effective way of clearing the virus. The answer is that during this latency period, there actually is not a lot of virus (or viral protein) floating around for the immune system to see. Instead, the viral DNA hides in the patients' DNA, well out of site of the immune system. At some point, something triggers it to start replicating, making lots of viral particles and killing the immune cell. OK, that's a bit of a gloss, but it's the general idea.

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